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Protein and fluid floor

A rough daily protein and fluid floor, so that the number you are aiming at is a minimum to reach rather than a limit to stay under.

Updated 30 May 2026Runs in your browser only

Read the framing before the number, because the framing is the point. This tool gives you a floor: a rough amount of protein and fluid to get at least, not a budget to stay within. Nothing on this site sets a limit on what anybody eats and nothing here is a target for a body.

It exists because appetite reduction makes protein and fluid the two things that quietly slide, and because members repeatedly discover, months later, that they had been running well under both. Ren's version of this is that strength is the part you keep, and that protein is how you keep it.

The arithmetic is a common clinical rule of thumb and nothing more. It cannot see you, it does not know your kidney function, and anybody with kidney disease, liver disease, heart failure or a fluid restriction should ignore it entirely and ask their own clinician instead.

Used only as a scaling figure for the arithmetic. It is not recorded and it is not a score.

A minimum to reach, not a maximum to stay under.

How to use a number like this well

Get most of it most days and stop thinking about it. Members who treat the figure as a daily pass-or-fail test tend to stop using it within a fortnight; members who treat it as a rough direction of travel are still using it two years later.

Front-load it. Almost everybody here finds the morning is the easiest part of the day to get protein in, and that by evening the appetite that was going to arrive has not arrived. Protein without a chore is the least preachy version we could write, the plant-based version is here, and the fluid side is at hydration and electrolytes.

Guides that go with it

eating

Protein without a chore

Why protein matters most exactly when eating is hardest, and the low-effort ways members actually get it in — no meal prep, no lectures, no shakes unless you want them.

9 min · reviewed by Ren · updated 24 Jun 2026

eating

Hydration and electrolytes

Thirst goes quiet along with appetite, and most early headaches and cramps in this community trace back to fluid. What is sensible, and where the supplement talk goes wrong.

9 min · reviewed by Mira · updated 27 Mar 2026

eating

Vegan and vegetarian protein

Getting enough protein without meat when your stomach holds four mouthfuls and pulses are giving you trouble — from members who have solved it.

9 min · reviewed by Ren · updated 2 May 2026

movement

Keeping your strength through a loss phase

When intake falls quickly the body draws on muscle as well as fat — what the evidence actually shows about that, what protects it, and which parts are still argued over.

9 min · reviewed by Ren · updated 9 Jun 2026

movement

Protein and strength: the basics

What protein is actually for during a loss phase, roughly how much the research points at, and why the whole thing gets harder exactly when it starts to matter.

8 min · reviewed by Ren · updated 9 Jun 2026

symptoms

Muscle cramps and electrolytes

Night cramps, twitching calves and the electrolyte question — what is plausible, what is guesswork, and which cramps mean a blood test rather than a banana.

8 min · reviewed by Ren · updated 30 Jan 2026